Funny thing.
A little while back I emailed a question to some alumni of the Conversational Copywriting course.
I wanted to know if they felt the course had changed anything for them. Was this just “another course”, or had it made a real difference?
I got some encouraging answers to that question, which I’ll be writing about in a future post.
But I also got feedback I hadn’t asked about at all.
This is a big deal, because so many people made the exact same point… without me even asking about it.
It seems like I’ve known Steve forever. But I’m guessing it’s closer to the 15-year mark.
Over the years he’s a been a good friend. And I think we agree on most things when it comes to our work as copywriters.
But there is a point of difference. While much of my experience has been in B2C copywriting, Steve has built up a huge reputation as an expert in B2B copywriting.
That’s a big part of why I reached out to him for this interview.
What do I mean by a “high-trust, relationship-based business”?
Here are a few examples…
You’re a life coach or business coach, consultant, freelancer, speaker, trainer, naturopath, yoga or fitness instructor, interior decorator or tree surgeon… and so on.
If your work brings you into direct contact with your customers and clients, consider yourself included.
Consider yourself excluded if you sell coffee mugs, shampoo, bicycles and most of the other stuff in and around your home.
There’s a key difference here.
While we’re still just toddlers, we start to talk.
That’s an amazing thing.
Our young minds figure out the meaning of those sounds adults are making around us. More amazing still, we somehow figure out some rudimentary rules of grammar.
Nobody taught us, but we figured it out. The sounds. The words. The basic framework that allows us to put those words into sentences that can be understood by others.
Sure, our first few tries at talking weren’t very sophisticated.
But we got the hang of it soon enough.
And before too long, we became more or less fluent in the spoken word.
Desperate marketers resort to cranking up the volume in their advertising.
If they’re not getting the results they want, they shout louder and more often, and in more places.
But, as they eventually discover to their cost, shouting louder doesn’t work.
It’s almost as if they’re saying, “Hey people, it seems you’re not hearing what I’m telling you… so I’m going to have to shout louder!!!”
But the problem isn’t that they aren’t being loud enough. Their problem is that they’re pitching the wrong message.
A message people don’t want to hear.
In this post I get to interview Seth Godin… author of 18 bestselling books, consummate marketer, entrepreneur, teacher and a good person.
That question about the protein.
Almost 20 years ago now Seth and I were booked to speak at the same event. We were both in town the evening before and went for dinner together.
As I studied the menu, Seth looked over and asked, “How do you take your protein?”
I remember that question because it stopped me dead in my tracks. I had to pause, unpack the meaning behind the question and think.
None of that would have happened if Seth has simply asked me, “Are you a vegetarian?”
If he’s asked me that, I’d have said no. Zero thought or reflection required.